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john boehner was. congress' approval ratings seemed to go up because everybody seems so conciliatory. is this going to get done? >> i very rarely admit that i was wrong, but i'm starting to get worried that maybe i was wrong. that these sides are further apart now than they were two weeks ago, which is hard to believe. i think this is going to get done. i don't think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's direction. i don't know exactly what the game that tim geithner was playing yesterday. not only, and thank you, erin, for getting some of this math right. the president said 2.5 for every tax increase and yesterday he came up with $4 of new taxes for every dollar of spending cuts. that's when john boehner simply said we're nowhere. >> ethan, don't the republicans if they want to break this stalemate, maybe what the president's doing is saying these are the cuts i want to make, so guys, why don't you come up with the rest? >> i
john boehner was. congress' approval ratings seemed to go up because everybody seems so conciliatory. is this going to get done? >> i very rarely admit that i was wrong, but i'm starting to get worried that maybe i was wrong. that these sides are further apart now than they were two weeks ago, which is hard to believe. i think this is going to get done. i don't think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans have put some proposals on the table moving in barack obama's...
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house speaker john boehner did speak by phone to president obama this week, and it was widely reported the two have agreed to negotiate directly with each other. but boehner said today, "there's no progress to report." >> four days ago, we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> sreenivasan: the president has insisted there will be no deal unless republicans agree to raise tax rates on the top 2%. republicans say the tax hikes would only hurt job creation. but in arlington, virginia, vice president biden said today's jobs report shows the economy is turning a corner, so it's critical to get a deal. >> there is a sense... there is a sense that if we can reach an- - act like adults and reach an agreement here on the fiscal cliff, the upside is much higher even than the downside is if we don't. >> sreenivasan: biden said the presiden
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we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint economic committee hearing. they're going to hear from a top economist not only about the jobs numbers coming out tomorrow but also about what can be done to avoid this issue at the end of the year. >> tracie potts for us in washington. thank you. >>> last night on the ed show, steny hoyer explains why he thinks the debt ceiling vote should be taken off the table. >> the debt ceiling is a phone y vote, frankly. and from time to time democrats have made it an item that they demagogue down and the republicans have demagogued on it, as well. the debt limit is a re
we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint...
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. >> reporter: on his first view sbr interview on the fiscal cliff, he rejected john boehner's proposal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: republicans want smaller tax increases overall and no movement on higher income tax rates. they want to cut unnamed tax bre breaks and deductions, which they say will do more to boost economic growth. the white house considers the proposal and economic rationale behind it laughable. >> we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: republicans answered back ba-humbug. >> this is absolutely not serious and the administration knows it. >> reporter: six governors, three from each party, met the president and said acid they believe business leaders in their states won't invest and hire until a deal gets done. >> until this gets resolved in a way that's not
. >> reporter: on his first view sbr interview on the fiscal cliff, he rejected john boehner's proposal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: republicans want smaller tax increases overall and no movement on higher income tax rates. they want to cut unnamed...
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ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone not too long ago. >> that's right, harris. we confirmed that there was a phone call between the two leaders this afternoon. no major progress but i'm told by one aide briefed on the call, this is more than they have done in a long time. so, maybe it's something they can build upon. but the bottom line is the president added somewhat of a new wrinkle today because he doesn't just want to deal with the spending and tax issues on the table and the so-called cliff, fiscal cliff, he also wants to deal with raising the debt ceiling which caused so much controversy a year and a half ago. take a listen to the president today. >> if congress in any way suggests they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> now, republics may not want to include the debt ceiling extension lifting that ceiling in these negotiati
ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone not too long ago. >> that's right, harris. we confirmed that there was a phone call between the two leaders this afternoon. no major progress but i'm told by one aide briefed on the call, this is more than they have done in a long time. so, maybe it's something they can build upon. but the bottom line is the president added somewhat of a new wrinkle today because he doesn't just want to deal with the...
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john boehner still has a chance to change this. the last two committees that have open chairman spots are the committee on house administration and the committee on ethics, speaker boehner wants to pick a woman, any woman, he just has to choose one from among the membership of those two communities, right? this is the binder full of women that ber
john boehner still has a chance to change this. the last two committees that have open chairman spots are the committee on house administration and the committee on ethics, speaker boehner wants to pick a woman, any woman, he just has to choose one from among the membership of those two communities, right? this is the binder full of women that ber
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but first up, speaker john boehner issued a warning for house republican today. the leadership is watching how they vote. this episode of conservatives will remove from key committee posts today and today we learned that house leaders were using an apparent secret list of criteria for who stays and who goes. here with the scoop, cnbc contributor from national review online, robert costa. what's up with this? i want to just add, senator jim demint coming out forcefully against speaker boehner's plan, and house member jim jordan also coming out against the plan. is the gop splintering? is there a civil war? >> larry, i'm here on capitol hill and what a raucous day today was for conservatives. you never really hear about it, but there's a group on capitol hill called the republican steering committee. they're a private group of lawmakers that decide committee spots and they announced that four lawmakers, popular conservatives from the class of 2010 and beyond would lose their coveted committee spots in places like the financial service committee and the agriculture
but first up, speaker john boehner issued a warning for house republican today. the leadership is watching how they vote. this episode of conservatives will remove from key committee posts today and today we learned that house leaders were using an apparent secret list of criteria for who stays and who goes. here with the scoop, cnbc contributor from national review online, robert costa. what's up with this? i want to just add, senator jim demint coming out forcefully against speaker boehner's...
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in response to that, house speaker john boehner said he was flabbergasted by the white house's offer. he said it was not serious and republicans are calling on the white house to put more details on the table. >> you know, americans want compromise. any time we take a poll, that's what we find, they want compromise. what's the deal? republicans are backed to a corner? they will be forced to raise taxes or else we go over that fiscal cliff? >> they are a bit backed into a corner. when you look at the lay of the land, the white house and democrats are confidence they have leverage that's because they have some here. yes, they are backed up into a corner a bit because tax rates, at least on some americans, are going to be increasing at the end of the year, no matter what. >> right. >> as you know, it's set to expire, those bush era tax rates are set to expire at the end of the year for all americans. you know, at this point the white house and democrats feel like they have enough leverage to dig in and say they have to stay in place for the middle class or really for the first $250,000 i
in response to that, house speaker john boehner said he was flabbergasted by the white house's offer. he said it was not serious and republicans are calling on the white house to put more details on the table. >> you know, americans want compromise. any time we take a poll, that's what we find, they want compromise. what's the deal? republicans are backed to a corner? they will be forced to raise taxes or else we go over that fiscal cliff? >> they are a bit backed into a corner....
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it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen: as hong as they don't ask. here are the headlines. a scare for franky muniz who rose to fame for malkare olm in the middle. >> it is the video . desense -- desensitized to violence. how many have you had. >> gretchen: the 26 year old recovering after suffering from a min i stroke. they are awaiting results. they noticed that nuniz had trouble understanding word and speaking. >> brian: he has to take better care of himself. >> steve: meanwhile, a mother could face crimminal charges if she doesn't bring her daughter back to the hospital. cops are searching for 11 year old emily who suffers from leukemia. her mom removed her iv and snuck her out of the arizona and took off to who knows where. doctors say emily is at riskk of infection and could die within days. >> brian: a cheerleader making a recovery after falling five stories . back in october. page rocky was at a party, ridiculous in a way . unbelievably good and fell 39 feet out of a apartment window. she had brain damage and now she's in rehappen and walk ta
it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen: as hong as they don't ask. here are the headlines. a scare for franky muniz who rose to fame for malkare olm in the middle. >> it is the video . desense -- desensitized to violence. how many have you had. >> gretchen: the 26 year old recovering after suffering from a min i stroke. they are awaiting results. they noticed that nuniz had trouble understanding word and speaking. >> brian: he has to take...
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is this john boehner's caucus? is it eric cantor's caucus? negotiating with john boehner when he doesn't control things is not tenable for the white house, not tenable for john boehner. >> well, i guess in the beltway here where i am tonight and the micro, it's cantor or boehner, but the bigger picture, if the president succeeds in terming the country around on this whole obsession with protecting the rich and protecting no tax cuts, that's a big moment. possible transformative moment in where we are in american politics. krystal ball and richard wolffe, thanks for your time this evening. >> thank you, reverend. >> be sure to catch krystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3 p.m. right here on msnbc. >>> ahead, he tried to get attention with a disasterous soup kitchen op, and now he wants to rebrand himself as someone who cares about the poor. we reveal paul ryan's makeover plans. and more on the box republicans are in and president obama's power play. senator barbara boxer of california joins me on that. >>> plus, it's the gop's worst nightmare com
is this john boehner's caucus? is it eric cantor's caucus? negotiating with john boehner when he doesn't control things is not tenable for the white house, not tenable for john boehner. >> well, i guess in the beltway here where i am tonight and the micro, it's cantor or boehner, but the bigger picture, if the president succeeds in terming the country around on this whole obsession with protecting the rich and protecting no tax cuts, that's a big moment. possible transformative moment in...
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now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what bjorn baijohn boehner is a is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare.ç 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and
now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than...
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. >>> we don't know what john boehner said to the president on the phone today, but we do know that boehner is finally admitting defeat on one thing. the rich will have to pay more. >> the next 72 hours are critical. >> will republicans cry uncle? both sides are still locked in a stalemate. >> there's plenty of hot rhetoric to go around. >> both sides are coming out swinging. . >> raising tax rates will hurt the economy. >> i will not play that game. >> president obama standing his ground. >> i will not play that game. >> he's not willing to play that game. >> playing the smackdown. >> i think the president has boxed the republicans in. >> i know we have it to raise revenue. >> is he the only republican? >> i don't care how we do it. >> raising tax rates hurt the economy. >> let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. >> if they do not make this deal on tax rates for the top 2%, then they're going away. >> i just hope this doesn't become a game of chicken. >> i will not play that game. >> it goes into february and march. >> public opinion is on their side. >> when we have to raise the debt ceil
. >>> we don't know what john boehner said to the president on the phone today, but we do know that boehner is finally admitting defeat on one thing. the rich will have to pay more. >> the next 72 hours are critical. >> will republicans cry uncle? both sides are still locked in a stalemate. >> there's plenty of hot rhetoric to go around. >> both sides are coming out swinging. . >> raising tax rates will hurt the economy. >> i will not play that game....
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i think john boehner is in a nightmare situation. it could not be a cleaner case for republicans defending only the tax cuts for the top 2%. this is very clear. mitt romney tried to parse it and say, well, maybe we'll get revenue from capping deductions. maybe we'll go after the mortgage interest or some other deductions. that was litigated. they lost. it's simple and clear to everyone that 98% of the tax cuts could go through tomorrow, today, any time if boehner got out of the way. but he still has the rejectionists in the lame duck caucus, and i think he's a little afraid the right flank might come at that speakership he has to reup for in january. he has to talk the tea party, talk even though he knows it's a losing proposition. >> i know you're a progressive, and that's why i love you. but let's talk politics. why does a political party that hopes to get 51% of the country in the next election put all its stock in 2%? >> well, you're dealing with reality. the reality -- >> yeah. >> the tea party caucus of the house went from 55 t
i think john boehner is in a nightmare situation. it could not be a cleaner case for republicans defending only the tax cuts for the top 2%. this is very clear. mitt romney tried to parse it and say, well, maybe we'll get revenue from capping deductions. maybe we'll go after the mortgage interest or some other deductions. that was litigated. they lost. it's simple and clear to everyone that 98% of the tax cuts could go through tomorrow, today, any time if boehner got out of the way. but he...
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i think a lot of what you're hearing, including from john boehner, is this posturing you have to do to make sure you can still raise money, obviously, as we were just saying. but at the same time, you've got to believe that he understands deep down, those rates are going up one way or another. if they can't come to an agreement, all the rates will go up. i still think that's what boehner would prefer. >> when we had the lame duck bush tax cut extension, which frustrated a lot of people, myself included, a lot of people on this network, okay? afterwards, if you would talk to someone from the white house, they would say, no, no, no. we've got this. we've got it all set up now, because it's going to all expire at the same me and we're goingth e all the leverage because they're going to expire. we're going to have the leverage. i was skeptical of that. but i think it is true from a negotiating standpoint, they really do have the leverage. you have people saying, oh, walk away. don't even talk to them. we shouldn't even -- that's fine. go ahead. don't talk to them. all the rates go up. >> y
i think a lot of what you're hearing, including from john boehner, is this posturing you have to do to make sure you can still raise money, obviously, as we were just saying. but at the same time, you've got to believe that he understands deep down, those rates are going up one way or another. if they can't come to an agreement, all the rates will go up. i still think that's what boehner would prefer. >> when we had the lame duck bush tax cut extension, which frustrated a lot of people,...
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john boehner believes they are going nowhere fast. their frustration is the president campaigned on raising taxes of $800 billion and the proposal yesterday was $1.6 billion in taxes, but there is also new spending, about $50 billion. john boehner teed off on that. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sent one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. calls for not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater and the amount they are willing to cut. it's different was not a serious proposal. >> reporter: boehner saying he stuck his neck out the day after the elect when he said he would put tax revenues on the table. he believes there is very little progress on the white house side in terms of spending cuts. so the boehner position is until the white house puts more spending cuts on the table he's not ready to kit a deal. the white house position is you have got to move forward on this tax position and we'll deal with spending cuts later. they
john boehner believes they are going nowhere fast. their frustration is the president campaigned on raising taxes of $800 billion and the proposal yesterday was $1.6 billion in taxes, but there is also new spending, about $50 billion. john boehner teed off on that. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sent one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. calls for not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's...
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house speaker john boehner saying no progress has been made in negotiations. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill now. what are the republican complaints, mike, and how are they pushing back at the president? >> reporter: senator john john cornyn who is a member of the rupp leadership says he thinks president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff by proposing higher taxes, no spending cuts and no plans to save entitlements. with president obama going to pennsylvania today, the house republican whip, kevin mccarthy's office put out a video profiling a small business nearby in pennsylvania that would get hurt by a tax hike. >> i'm jerry gorsky from an engineering company. however good or bad we do is my income. this notion of $250,000 being top 2% or the wealthy people in america ignores the way most small businesses work in america. >> reporter: i mentioned president obama is going out on the trail, if you will in pennsylvania to sell his arguments. one would expect we would hear some sort of response from speaker john boehner after that. jon. jon: what are t
house speaker john boehner saying no progress has been made in negotiations. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill now. what are the republican complaints, mike, and how are they pushing back at the president? >> reporter: senator john john cornyn who is a member of the rupp leadership says he thinks president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff by proposing higher taxes, no spending cuts and no plans to save entitlements. with president obama going to pennsylvania today, the house...
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. >> 30 minutes after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner had held a press conference and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupled that 98% from the richest 2% and he gave a pessimistic assessment of the situation. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joy on this thing because you and i often agree. if we don't, we don't and we'll live with that. but this whole thing here, i think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. there's something a
. >> 30 minutes after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner had held a press conference and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupled that 98% from the richest 2% and he gave a pessimistic assessment of the situation. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spent...
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they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans in congress want to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates. we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obama administration, the question is, is it in their interest to trade tax cuts for
they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans in congress want to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates. we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced...
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. >> but republicans led by house speaker john boehner said the president should quit campaigning and take care of business and some suggest that the president is playing a dangerous game of political brinksmanship. >> i think that the democrats and the president view it to their advantage to run the clock out and dangerously close by the end of the year. if there's a break through, in a short manner, takes a while to get proposals scored by the budget office and legislation drafted. if we were going to act on something until the end of the year, you can't wait until christmas day and hope to pass by new years day. >> reporter: and the latest round of political maneuvering involves pressure from nancy pelosi, democratic leader in the house, to be extend the middle class tax cuts, a bill approved by the u.s. senate. see where that goes. >> jamie: steve with the latest. thank you, kelly has more now. >> kelly: indeed we do. for more on the fiscal cliff stalemate. let's bring in angela mcglowan, and dick, from the south carolina democratic party. look, i've got the questions prepared and
. >> but republicans led by house speaker john boehner said the president should quit campaigning and take care of business and some suggest that the president is playing a dangerous game of political brinksmanship. >> i think that the democrats and the president view it to their advantage to run the clock out and dangerously close by the end of the year. if there's a break through, in a short manner, takes a while to get proposals scored by the budget office and legislation...
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john boehner was willing to go further than i as a conservative would have liked. we discussed that. how does the president, planning a vacation in hawaii for 20 days. the president sends geithner to meet with the republicans yesterday. >> i don't think that's fair. >> sean: he's a tax cheat. >> he made a mistake and he paid and everyone -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: i never cheated on my taxes i promise. obama would have caught me by now. look at his proposal, 1.6 trillion tax cut. increase rates on the wealthy only. new stimulus program 150 billion. and he wants a blank cheque that. is not a serious proposal bob. >> it is not. you talk to people in the real world, not in washington, but in the real world, they say the numbers and how this is done, i don't give a damn. i just want them to fix it. what the republicans should do is say these are the things we are going to fix. these are the numbers and this is our proposal. >> sean: wait a minute, i don't think you are being fair in one sense. the republicans said to the chagrin of a lot of conservatives t
john boehner was willing to go further than i as a conservative would have liked. we discussed that. how does the president, planning a vacation in hawaii for 20 days. the president sends geithner to meet with the republicans yesterday. >> i don't think that's fair. >> sean: he's a tax cheat. >> he made a mistake and he paid and everyone -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: i never cheated on my taxes i promise. obama would have caught me by now. look at his proposal,...
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let me underline again. >> yeah. >> john boehner's counter offer was pathetic. even the tea party groups are saying the counter offer was pathetic. this republican party in the house better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from now. i want to see, at least, if you're not going to offer new revenue, you better offer a lot of cuts and they're doing neither. so you've got to blame both sides, but there's only one president. >> the president's going to have to do something big, i think, to get this done. he's not -- he's more power and sway than a lot of people including i thought he would have coming out of the election. issues like entitlement reform and new revenue, but he's going to have to do something big. there's been a four-year course of he doesn't get along with either party, doesn't make the kind of effort you're talking about. i don't think there's any doubt he's going to, particularly john boehner, find some human interconnection moment that says we're doing this. and that's when the tough part starts. because once there's a
let me underline again. >> yeah. >> john boehner's counter offer was pathetic. even the tea party groups are saying the counter offer was pathetic. this republican party in the house better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from now. i want to see, at least, if you're not going to offer new revenue, you better offer a lot of cuts and they're doing neither. so you've got to blame both sides, but there's only one president. >> the president's going to...
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and this morning, house speaker john boehner said he'd reinforced that position to congressman cole. >> you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it'll hurt small businesses, it'll hurt our economy, it's why it's not the right approach. we're willing to put revenue on the table as long as we're not raising rates. >> brown: despite the president's talk of changing minds, "politico's" manu raju says that privately, house republicans think they can win this fight. >> right now the republican leadership feels pretty confident that they have most of their folks in line. they all generally support keeping tax rates low for virtually for every single income group. they do not want to see incomes increase for that top tax bracket. >> brown: meanwhile, on the senate floor, minority leader mitch mcconnell criticized democrats for putting social security off limits in any deficit deal. >> as for social security, the only thing we hear from why in the world wouldn't they want to talk about the fact that this vital program started spending out more than it
and this morning, house speaker john boehner said he'd reinforced that position to congressman cole. >> you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it'll hurt small businesses, it'll hurt our economy, it's why it's not the right approach. we're willing to put revenue on the table as long as we're not raising rates. >> brown: despite the president's talk of changing minds, "politico's" manu raju says that privately, house republicans...
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john boehner is already ready for $800 billion of ip creancre tax revenue. calculating deductions, eliminating loopholes. are you with the speaker of the house on that? >> unfortunately, the policies of the president obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they already pared back plans and hiring for next year, anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve, if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and hurt job growth. >> are you with boehner? >> i am not with boehner. this government doesn't need any more money. this country needs less government. we are going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year, but we've doubled spepding in the last ten years. >> everyone's taxes are going to go up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to comp
john boehner is already ready for $800 billion of ip creancre tax revenue. calculating deductions, eliminating loopholes. are you with the speaker of the house on that? >> unfortunately, the policies of the president obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they already pared back plans and hiring for next year, anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve, if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and hurt...
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conservative groups rebel against john boehner as i was saying, the heritage foundation, that club for growth. do you see dick armey quit? he got $8 million. something like that. >> i thought they were just a grassroots organization. that has $8 million to give to dick armey for leaving. >> stephanie: i love it. >> that's a lot of grass. >> stephanie: from the sound of his letter, it was not a happy ending. dick didn't get a happy ending. >> imagine that. >> stephanie: he does not get a happy ending. he wrote henceforth he should be prohibited from using my name. the signature in any way. that's gold. that dick armey. >> but where's the -- the cutout? i want my autographed dick armey cutout. >> stephanie: i wonder if he will go back to his first legal name? >> yeah. >> stephanie: here's the punch line. he said he quit -- they were matters of principle. because they have principles. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] like the koch brothers. >> right. >> i think it's like -- you hear all of these stories of the infighting and then the veneer in the press seems to be that the republicans are reforming th
conservative groups rebel against john boehner as i was saying, the heritage foundation, that club for growth. do you see dick armey quit? he got $8 million. something like that. >> i thought they were just a grassroots organization. that has $8 million to give to dick armey for leaving. >> stephanie: i love it. >> that's a lot of grass. >> stephanie: from the sound of his letter, it was not a happy ending. dick didn't get a happy ending. >> imagine that. >>...
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conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp, conservative organizations have a lot of sway with some members. bane earp does not want a full fledged rebellion. a few things to keep in mind. number one, any thought boehner didn't believe he had more control over his conference this time than he did two years ago should be set aside. cantor and mccarthy having his back. he only has to worry if somebody is high profile were somehow to challenge his standing with house republicans. that's not the case. they were in concert on this. does it mean -- send a signal to the white house that this time what boehner says and negotiates goes though it may not be a majority of the majority but boehner is comfortable in the position that he's established. that said, how much is boehner helped by his proposal? his
conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp, conservative organizations have a lot of sway with some members. bane earp does not want a full fledged rebellion. a few things to keep in mind. number one, any...
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.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise materialize??3 now republicans and democrats say there are no major meetings planned, no summit for democrats and republicans yet to get together and talk on this. the white house says they imagine that there is some e-mail traffic going back and forth but they refuse to tell us when and where they plan on negotiating this. back to you. ashley: i bet the language in the e-mail is pretty interesting too. >> right. ashley: rich edson, thanks so much. tracy: well more companies are accelerating their dividend payments. so we heard from campbell's soup and coach. some of the latest getting cash to shareholders ahead of fiscal cliff. oracle taking it a step further. moving up three dividend payments before the end of the year. for more on this, we're joined by gary kaltbaum, president of cat obama capital management and fox news contributor. gary, i'm glad you're here
.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise materialize??3 now republicans and democrats say there are no major meetings planned, no summit for democrats and republicans yet to get together and talk on this. the white house says they imagine that there is some e-mail traffic going back and forth but they refuse to...
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you have challenged john boehner. i mean, what you put out there, it may sound -- may sound very normal and calm and compromise-filled to many. but perhaps to him, it's a little bit of a slap in the face. have you talked to him about it directly? >> yeah, of course. i mean, look, i deal with the speaker on a regular basis. and he knows, look, i'm never going to undercut him and he knows when the tough votes come, and they're going to come, that i'll be there to try and support him and help him. so he's not going to scold me because i offered in private, you know, my advice that was solicited and then when it was leaked actually defended in public. i don't think he would expect me to do anything else. >> well, it's good. it's good you stand by what you said. and i know we have to applaud when anyone chooses to do that in washington, sir. thank you so much. appreciate your time, congressman cole. >> thank you, erin. >>> a man who stood by what he said, even though it flew in the face of what others like grover norquist
you have challenged john boehner. i mean, what you put out there, it may sound -- may sound very normal and calm and compromise-filled to many. but perhaps to him, it's a little bit of a slap in the face. have you talked to him about it directly? >> yeah, of course. i mean, look, i deal with the speaker on a regular basis. and he knows, look, i'm never going to undercut him and he knows when the tough votes come, and they're going to come, that i'll be there to try and support him and...
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john boehner wants that tip o'neill legacy. he wants to be able to say when you see my painting there will be universal praise. we won't agree with him here or there, least he got something done. >> can he get that without a sideways mention of the tan? >> newt gingrich has the contract with america in his portrait. >> and the crying. this is what i meant by the fact that obama helped him, because he allowed him to trim his sales get rid of the tea party complainers because now they say look the nation wants this. he looks like he's being broadly democratic for the best interests of the nation while shoring up his own, you know, particular interest there and he's been able to get help from obama to beat back the tea party. it's an ironic -- >> obama gave him -- >> he said the rich could pay. how about that? the rich would pay. >> obama gave him pow. >> we'll talk more about the rich paying. i think that you could say the president gave john boehner a political mulligan. how is that for golf talk, america? >> wow. >> who says i
john boehner wants that tip o'neill legacy. he wants to be able to say when you see my painting there will be universal praise. we won't agree with him here or there, least he got something done. >> can he get that without a sideways mention of the tan? >> newt gingrich has the contract with america in his portrait. >> and the crying. this is what i meant by the fact that obama helped him, because he allowed him to trim his sales get rid of the tea party complainers because...
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but something as you saw there from orrin hatch and speaker john boehner that has been rejected. so, the senate has passed a bill that follows the president's wishes that extends the bush era tax cuts for the bottom 98%, but does not extend them for the top 2%. those couples filing jointly making more than $250,000 a year. so, it's past the senate and gone no where in the republican-controlled house. what are the options available? nancy pelosi digging into the playbook as you reported with something called a discharge petition. if a majority of the members of the house sign this petition, then the speaker of the house, of the majority party, of course, is forced to put something on the floor that he does not want to put on the floor. i have to tell you, craig, sort of a hail mary and it hasn't worked for ten years when mccain feingold was put on the floor of the house by virtue of the fact that they had a discharge position. it has been tried hundreds of times in the past 100 years. it very seldom works. you can see now, democrats trying everything nay can do. putting on public
but something as you saw there from orrin hatch and speaker john boehner that has been rejected. so, the senate has passed a bill that follows the president's wishes that extends the bush era tax cuts for the bottom 98%, but does not extend them for the top 2%. those couples filing jointly making more than $250,000 a year. so, it's past the senate and gone no where in the republican-controlled house. what are the options available? nancy pelosi digging into the playbook as you reported with...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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john boehner, again, speaker, said we're at a stalemate. is that how you would describe where things are? >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. again, remember -- >> where are you closer? >> the republicans have said for the first time in decades, if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the republican party, that they are prepared to raise taxes as part of a deal that helps reduce our long term deficit. what they haven't said is how far they're willing to go on rates and revenues, and that's what we need to see from them. >> they said no increased rates. >> but that's -- but they know this. there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. there's not -- >> you'll go off the fiscal cliff if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates for the -- on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off -- >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, the time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, there wi
john boehner, again, speaker, said we're at a stalemate. is that how you would describe where things are? >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. again, remember -- >> where are you closer? >> the republicans have said for the first time in decades, if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the republican party, that they are prepared to raise taxes as part of a deal that helps reduce our long term deficit. what they haven't said is how far...
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john boehner. >> i thank my colleague for yielding and i rise in support of h.r. 6604 and commend my colleague, the gentlelady from california, nancy pelosi, for sponsoring this resolution. tip o'neill needs no introduction to this body. i remember those who respect admire him and his long shadow that he cast over the people's house. we have all bar code is best known saying, all politics is local. is certainly true today that as we propose the name of the building right here at the foot of capitol hill, a stone's throw from this great dome in honor of our 55th speaker, this is one of those moments you wonder how the honoree would feel, especially when if someone like tip who never held back his opinions, perhaps he would have enjoyed seeing leaders from opposite sides of the aisle come together to give them a well-deserved her raw. certainly he would have gotten a kick out of being flanked by buildings named after hubert humphrey and gerald ford, also leaders from opposite ends of the political spectrum. to actually considered mr. humphrey one of his heroes and he had one of humphre
john boehner. >> i thank my colleague for yielding and i rise in support of h.r. 6604 and commend my colleague, the gentlelady from california, nancy pelosi, for sponsoring this resolution. tip o'neill needs no introduction to this body. i remember those who respect admire him and his long shadow that he cast over the people's house. we have all bar code is best known saying, all politics is local. is certainly true today that as we propose the name of the building right here at the foot...
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start with you, ari, this is a clip from john boehner. he was talking earlier today about these negotiations to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. >> so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> so here's the question, ari. why go public with those kinds of concessions? don't you make those kinds of concessions in private negotiations as opposed to speaking publicly about them right now and giving away your own leverage, if you will? >> yes, you do. you have to make those in the private talks. not in the public maneuvering that's going on. but i also worry that it's not being said in the private talks. and that's why you're hearing speaker boehner say what he's saying. wolf, i'm getting a growing sense from the people that i talk to that there's a real exasperation where we are where we were in 2011 with nothing happening in these talks. that ca
start with you, ari, this is a clip from john boehner. he was talking earlier today about these negotiations to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. >> so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> so here's the question, ari. why go public with those kinds of concessions? don't you make...
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bill: john boehner, direct, to the point. you need a plan that can pass both the house and the senate. that's where we are right now on the fiscal cliff. december 5th is it? there it is on the calendar. quick break more of what eric cantor said just moments ago. martha: during his 42 years in congress brooks is best known for voting to significantly cut government spending and to pass several historic laws including the civil rights act of 1964. what a life. jack brooks, dead at 89. bill: 25 minutes past the hour. there could soon be a major shortage of primary care doctors. the journal of the medical american association says 22% of internal medicine residents are planning to become internal medicine doctors. what does this mean to you? marc siegl joins us now with the latest on this. doctor, nice to see you. >> good to see you. bill: what does it mean. >> i want to explain to our views out there exactly what an internal medicine doctor is. we always talk about primary care. primary care is a pediatrician, obstetrician, gyne
bill: john boehner, direct, to the point. you need a plan that can pass both the house and the senate. that's where we are right now on the fiscal cliff. december 5th is it? there it is on the calendar. quick break more of what eric cantor said just moments ago. martha: during his 42 years in congress brooks is best known for voting to significantly cut government spending and to pass several historic laws including the civil rights act of 1964. what a life. jack brooks, dead at 89. bill: 25...
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>>> want to take you live to capitol hill where house speaker john boehner is speaking live to the press and emerged from are a meeting with timothy geithner, treasury secretary. let's listen in to what he has to say. >> i met with erskine bowles and business leaders about averting the fiscal cliff, and achieving t the balance the white house says it wants. i made clear we put real concessions on the line by putting revenues on the table right up front. unfortunately, many democrats continue to rule out sensible spending cuts that must be part of any significant agreement that will reduce our deficit. and mr. bowles himself said there is no serious discussion of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there is a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. listen, going off the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester, and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan t
>>> want to take you live to capitol hill where house speaker john boehner is speaking live to the press and emerged from are a meeting with timothy geithner, treasury secretary. let's listen in to what he has to say. >> i met with erskine bowles and business leaders about averting the fiscal cliff, and achieving t the balance the white house says it wants. i made clear we put real concessions on the line by putting revenues on the table right up front. unfortunately, many...
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president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on the phone about the situation yesterday. among the major sticking points is republican support for continuing tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, something mr. obama disagrees with. >> we could probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual breakthrough that says we need a balanced plan. that's what's best for the economy. that's what the american people voted for. that's how we're going to get it done. >> mr. obama's treasury secretary, tim geithner, went a step further, saying that the president would allow the nation to go over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year, if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> and maybe abraham lincoln can help the fiscal cliff negotiations. harry reid believes so. the senate will get inspiration when reid hosts a clescreening the spielberg movie. >> whatever helps to get things moving, right? >>> hundreds of same-sex couples in washington state lined up overnight to get a marriage license now that they can legally wed. the coun
president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on the phone about the situation yesterday. among the major sticking points is republican support for continuing tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, something mr. obama disagrees with. >> we could probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual breakthrough that says we need a balanced plan. that's what's best for the economy. that's what the american people voted for. that's how we're going to...
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how speaker john boehner said he was flabbergasted. mitch mcconnell reportedly laughed out loud and in this debate over reducing the debt, the president is pushing for an additional $255 billion in spending. he wants those higher taxes to spend more, which is leading to some criticism. joining me now is brad blakeman, the former deputy to george w. bush. and chairman of the south carolina democratic party. a deal that is all about the republicans desire to cut back on the debt and deficit -- why would the president be proposing $255 billion in war spending? >> well, he's not. what he is proposing is shifting spending priorities. after those cuts, shifting priorities, and by the way -- this is infrastructure development. this is to make sure that people who have gone the payroll tax relief keep that payroll tax relief and expanding unemployment benefits. i will say this. this is the president's initial proposal. the silence from the republicans is deafening. they can counter this. but all they have done is whine and weep and cry and lau
how speaker john boehner said he was flabbergasted. mitch mcconnell reportedly laughed out loud and in this debate over reducing the debt, the president is pushing for an additional $255 billion in spending. he wants those higher taxes to spend more, which is leading to some criticism. joining me now is brad blakeman, the former deputy to george w. bush. and chairman of the south carolina democratic party. a deal that is all about the republicans desire to cut back on the debt and deficit --...
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he's in the spot between, and let's be clear, john boehner's never voted for a tax increase in his entire caer in the house so he's got his principles, and, on the other hand, we saw in november, bewere not successful coming to electioneering. we're going to be blamed. he wants to create the appearance of a willingness to sit down in talk in a broad way in entitlement reform, bending the spinning art, but the president won't engage it. it's give me my increase on the dreaded rich people, and and unlimited credit card with respect to the debt ceiling. can you imagine anything more absurd than us giving eman unlimited ability to raise the debt ceiling? he's got the unmitigated ability to ask for tt. lou: congressman, i have the most profound respect. you t me to tears thinking about the 435 folks there on capital hill in the house who have little tiny megaphones and can't get their message out, but then i start desperately looking for the message, and i can't even find it as i seek it. the poor speaker of the house, inability to rise to the leve of the bully pulpit, but the fact is i don't
he's in the spot between, and let's be clear, john boehner's never voted for a tax increase in his entire caer in the house so he's got his principles, and, on the other hand, we saw in november, bewere not successful coming to electioneering. we're going to be blamed. he wants to create the appearance of a willingness to sit down in talk in a broad way in entitlement reform, bending the spinning art, but the president won't engage it. it's give me my increase on the dreaded rich people, and...
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i want to show you a clip of john boehner talking about his position. [video clip] >> we have a debt problem out of control. we have to cut spending. the revenues we are putting on the table will come from -- guess who -- the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm the economy. host: we are taking your calls this morning on whether members of congress and the presidential compromise or stick to their principles. brian is next from massachusetts on the independent line. caller: good morning. i think the republicans and democrats -- medicare is not paying for itself. it is costing us more than what we pay into it. if you make $1,000, they take $100 of of your medicare. if the big 2000, take $200, all the way up to $500. that way medicare is getting paid for. right now we are not paying for medicare. we're going into a hole because of it. another thing is, we have lost over 500 jobs -- companies to outsourcing i
i want to show you a clip of john boehner talking about his position. [video clip] >> we have a debt problem out of control. we have to cut spending. the revenues we are putting on the table will come from -- guess who -- the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm the economy. host: we are taking your calls this morning on whether members of...
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the voters threw him out of the white house. >> steve: but at this stage in the negotiations, john boehner made it clear. he will not raise the tax rates. he's looking at other way to raise revenue. we don't need to raise the rates close to 40 percent. >> they are saying that. they are disingenous. >> i respect in negotiation you take positions that you don't expect to end up with. lind an johnson said never watch them make sausage or legislation because give and take is unpleasant they talk about not raising rates and getting ritted of deductions. what ever takes more money from the hard working americans and gives it to the government and gives it to the consuming part of society. that doesn't cause prosperity. >> steve: last line of your column which is called republicans and taxes regarding bush 41. her bert walkerb bush would abide by his pledge today. just a guess. >> steve: i bet you are right. >> thank you guys. >> steve: check this out. a zebra chasing a horse in the streets of new york city. you don't see that every day. why are they going. and what do lottery winners doing with
the voters threw him out of the white house. >> steve: but at this stage in the negotiations, john boehner made it clear. he will not raise the tax rates. he's looking at other way to raise revenue. we don't need to raise the rates close to 40 percent. >> they are saying that. they are disingenous. >> i respect in negotiation you take positions that you don't expect to end up with. lind an johnson said never watch them make sausage or legislation because give and take is...
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boehner. dan lothian is at the white house. dan, what do you know? >> reporter: well, this is the second phone conversation now that the president has had with speaker boehner with regards to the fiscal cliff. this call, according to a source familiar with it, told me it lasted for 28 minutes. this official saying it was hardly short or curt, as had been reported by some news outlets. and my colleague, jessica yellen, heard from another source that said that the president told speaker boehner that he felt that rates had to go up on wealthy americans and that there would be no deal without that. so clearly, there is still some distance between the two sides here. the president believing that wealthy americans need to pay more. those bush era tax cuts should not extend for them. republicans believing that all americans should benefit from those tax cuts, and that now you should put en titlements on the table. of as we see, the officials from the white house going up to capitol hill today, treasu
boehner. dan lothian is at the white house. dan, what do you know? >> reporter: well, this is the second phone conversation now that the president has had with speaker boehner with regards to the fiscal cliff. this call, according to a source familiar with it, told me it lasted for 28 minutes. this official saying it was hardly short or curt, as had been reported by some news outlets. and my colleague, jessica yellen, heard from another source that said that the president told speaker...
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president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is not serious. >> math. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. that's why romney couldn't explain it during the presidential election. no one can explain it because you can't do it. >> jay carney says the speaker's plans raises more questions than answers. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> john boehner's heavy-handed approach to leadership, boehner and the republican steering committee kicked four republican congressmen out of the
president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner. the president and the democrats are focused on revenue and they are determined to make sure that the top tax rates go up. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks, for example, about $800 billion worth of revenues, but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> harry reid wasted no time explaining why the boehner proposal is...
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do you feel sorry for john boehner who has all these circus folks with him? >> i don't. >> eliot: shocking to me. >> look, he has--he's trying to maintain his caucus, and you know at the end of the day i don't really invest too heavily about the actual persons of these politicians. the fact that you were talking about lindsey graham who pressureperceived-- >> eliot: i was setting him up to tear him down. >> the point is he's facing re-election. the republican electorate that the republicans have nurtured and grown. they have created frankenstein, i've said it before on this program, and basically they're at the mercy of these people. they created this monster and they can't put it back in the bottle. >> eliot: would you agree with sam, they are now the victims of their own creation. they cannot escape the tea party fringe who has knocked out the more merate voices of the establishment party so they're left with only the fear of the far rate. shame on them. >> i don't mean to put too fine of a point on it, the republican party of this party is demented. i wrot
do you feel sorry for john boehner who has all these circus folks with him? >> i don't. >> eliot: shocking to me. >> look, he has--he's trying to maintain his caucus, and you know at the end of the day i don't really invest too heavily about the actual persons of these politicians. the fact that you were talking about lindsey graham who pressureperceived-- >> eliot: i was setting him up to tear him down. >> the point is he's facing re-election. the republican...